#a11y-meeting Meeting

Meeting started by API at 14:07:05 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

  1. Issues related to 3.12 (API, 14:07:11)
    1. mgorse has reopened bug 684076, since old socket directories no longer get cleaned up (mgorse, 14:10:26)
    2. Bug 727258 - Accessible object:property-change:accessible-name event not emitted for power-off/suspend (joanie, 14:11:25)
    3. Bug 727272 - Accessible object:state-changed:focused events missing when arrowing in the icon view (joanie, 14:11:54)

  2. Plans for 3.14 - Wayland (API, 14:16:44)
    1. From 3.12 Wayland is still in beta (API, 14:18:03)
    2. Jasper wrote a summary of the new stuff for 3.12 and plans for the future on a blog post (API, 14:18:52)
    3. http://blog.mecheye.net/2014/03/wayland-in-3-12-and-beyond/ (API, 14:19:14)
    4. additionally, a thread started on wayland-dev, moved to desktop-devel (API, 14:19:31)
    5. it was related to security, specifically about still-not-supported features due security reasons (API, 14:19:57)
    6. API sent a email in order to include accessibility as another of those features (API, 14:20:17)
    7. in short, if all those features gets in wayland (with or without a custom security protocol), accessibility would need to follow them (API, 14:20:45)
    8. as it seems that just dbus would not be enough (afair, mgorse already concluded that) (API, 14:21:12)
    9. https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Wayland (joanie, 14:23:25)
    10. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710012 (joanie, 14:26:04)
    11. https://wiki.maliit.org/Wayland_Input_Method_System_Proposal (API, 14:33:57)
    12. For plans for 3.14 (API, 14:38:08)
    13. API mentions that the more straightforward plan would be implement all the required functionality as a wayland extension (API, 14:38:32)
    14. previous work done on virtual keyboards could be a good reference (API, 14:38:48)
    15. https://wiki.maliit.org/Wayland_Input_Method_System_Proposal (API, 14:38:54)
    16. API hopes that as the security affects other basic functionality and common features, that would be solved (API, 14:39:44)
    17. main concern on the team would be who would work on implementing that extension (API, 14:40:04)
    18. joanie asked if this could be done as part of mgorse dayjob. mgorse will check it (API, 14:40:50)
    19. a11y team will oversee all this on the following weeks (API, 14:41:00)

  3. Plans for 3.14 - Feature proposals (API, 14:42:35)
    1. ATK made several deprecations for 3.10 and 3.12 (API, 14:42:51)
    2. in addition to the new APIs that replace them (API, 14:43:38)
    3. API main interest would be about start to port toolkits and apps to the new APIs (API, 14:43:43)
    4. that and Wayland would be a really big chunk of stuff to do (API, 14:44:01)
    5. another possible features would be homogenize keyboard focus management and pdf accessibility (API, 14:44:34)
    6. Matthias copied the magnifier tint enhancement over from 3.10 — https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointThirteen/Features/TintEnhancement (clown, 14:44:51)
    7. Focus TRuacking UI wasn't copied over. (clown, 14:45:13)

  4. Plans for 3.14 - other stuff (API, 14:49:13)
    1. sticky keys #669597 (API, 14:49:33)
    2. mouse pointers sizes #665907 (API, 14:49:40)
    3. Matthias sent an email to the gtk-devel-list about gestures: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2014-April/msg00000.html (joanie, 14:50:33)
    4. Joanie thinks (hopes) that the result of gestures will be accessible events just as if some other input mode were used. Thus that should (hopefully) not be a problem. (joanie, 14:51:09)
    5. Matthias did ask a question at the end, however: "Do we envision applications to have custom gestures ? Any plausible" (joanie, 14:51:39)
    6. Joanie thinks we might have a desire/example for custom gestures. (joanie, 14:52:22)
    7. iOS's VoiceOver has custom accessibility gestures (joanie, 14:52:43)
    8. Joanie worked on a DayJob project where there were screen-reader-specific gestures (joanie, 14:53:02)
    9. It might be cool for there to be Orca gestures for things like WhereAmI or FlatReview. (joanie, 14:53:26)
    10. So Joanie supposes she should answer that email. :) (joanie, 14:53:45)
    11. Joanie is not looking forward to entering into some debate with Gtk+ devs about whether or not this is needed, however. Hopefully this will not happen. (joanie, 14:54:19)
    12. But before Joanie does this, she would like to know if her idea is sane or silly. (joanie, 14:54:37)
    13. ACTION: Joanie will respond to Matthias's email with a brief description of her idea. (joanie, 15:02:53)

  5. W3C updates (API, 15:05:59)
    1. 1. The specification documents are being moved to github — https://github.com/w3c/aria (clown, 15:06:46)
    2. Joseph is in the process of preparing the UAIG for this move, and hopes to have that finished by next week. (clown, 15:07:06)
    3. 2. An issue discussed this week was how to make aria references to and from the Shadow DOM. (clown, 15:07:34)
    4. this is a nice intro to the shadow dom and a11y issues: http://substantial.com/blog/2014/02/05/accessibility-and-the-shadow-dom/ (clown, 15:07:55)
    5. 3. The specification of the proposed aria-roledesc attribute has had a lot of discussion this week. (clown, 15:08:35)
    6. the thread starts here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Mar/0130.html (clown, 15:08:55)
    7. Joanie is part of the "problem" regarding aria-roledesc ;) (joanie, 15:09:21)
    8. Joanie thinks it is a step backward, rather than forward, for our platform (joanie, 15:09:48)
    9. Notes that at this point, aria-roledesc is confined to the group and region roles only. (clown, 15:10:40)
    10. : Juanjo's updated the wikipedia entry for ATK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_Toolkit (jjmarin, 15:17:18)
    11. Juanjo will do the same with AT-SPI in the following days. The draft still in http://piratepad.net/5dT0fHzENH (jjmarin, 15:17:25)
    12. Juanjo has added a Code section in the a11y team wiki page https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/. So far only ATK and AT-SPI (DBus based) (jjmarin, 15:17:38)

Meeting ended at 15:23:59 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. Joanie will respond to Matthias's email with a brief description of her idea.

People present (lines said)

  1. joanie (182)
  2. API (137)
  3. clown (46)
  4. jjmarin (29)
  5. mgorse (10)
  6. Services (9)
  7. jhernandez (1)

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